How about voting No to the war and consistanlty voting YES for funding it? Give me a break.

Okay.

I'm no Hillary fan, but damn if this election isn't about the courts again.  I won't like it much, but I'll do my best to convince my anti-Hillary friends that they're wrong.

Do you hold all to that standard?

If all Democrats were held to the same standard we could lose control of Congress this year.   A lot of Democrats voted the same way as her.

Dear DoubleD's (interesting name):

When she voted for the war, she and many other leading democratics (John Edwards, John Kerry, etc.) were told it was military invasion for WMDs.  Other dems were smarter and knew it was an inappropriate war.  The point is, you can't blame them ALL for being misled.  Since then, Clinton and so many others have fought to bring the troops home.  Also, keep in mind that Obama voted in favor of funding the war in 2004, 2005. If he was truly against it, wouldn't he have stood up against funding?

I think Obama and Clinton are basically equal when it comes to voting record.  I feel terrible that you and other Obama supporters have been misled into thinking she is this evil war-lover.  She is no different than many other conservative-dems.  In fact, it is Obama who so aggresively wants us to send troops to Pakistan,  further prolonging the war against terror.  

Great diary. I think this sums up what why a lot of progressives will NOT support HRC. At least John Edwards has the balls to say he was wrong. Hillary has made a point of NOT explicitly apologizing.

Now Hillary claims that she was voting for inspections. If I could tell the case for war was a fraud, how could Hillary, who had access to the most detailed intel of anyone in the country, not tell?

In someone else's words:

"Give me a break! This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

it IS all about you, isn't it? you don't care WHO the republicans put on the supreme court, do you?

expect incoming from the paid hillary posters. if hillary can lie about the most disastrous foreign policy blunder of our generatio - which has cost us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars - do yu think she would think one second about doing the same with health care or any other politically tuchy issue?

I guarantee you that in the coming weeks she will come out against garnishment to pay for her health care program.

when bush and clinton lie, people die.

in the Senate on any issue of major importance (defunding the war, FISA filibuster, etc.), and his generally cautious approach since being elected to the club, I personally doubt that he would have voted against the AUMF if he'd been in the Senate in the fall of 2002.

I won't vote for Hillary because she's run a dishonest primary campaign based on character assassination and race baiting.  I don't like her record on the war vote or (especially) her neocon "all options on the table" language towards Iran, but really, their foriegn policy stances really aren't that different.  The disingeuous viciousness of her primary is what lost me.

Now, now, let's not sink to the level of the Hillary supporters on this forum...the ones who spew bile
at the mere mention of Barack's name. I'm a huge Obama supporter but you can be sure as shit I'd vote
for Hillary if she's the nominee. She has an outstanding record of accomplishment and would easily make a better president than 99% of the Democratic officials in this country.

Considering what we've been offered up in the past as Dem. presidential candidates, I'd say this is a dream year for us. I think we have two fabulous choices...two people who are inspiring the electorate like I've never seen before. Compare the likes of Clinton and Obama with the group of wishy-washy candidates we had in '04. Wolf was right on at the debate when he said that Obama/Clinton (or Clinton/Obama) would be a dream ticket. So why has this forum sunk to the levels of a teenage Halo 2 forum with all the venom? I can't say but its uglier than I thought it would EVER get.

Do I think Hillary has the ability to beat McCain. Not really. If she is the nominee, expect the gates of Hell to open up and engulf her in a wave of sleeze like we've never seen before. What happened to Kerry will pale in comparison. They'll be more talk of blowjobs than policy issues and the MSM will have a field day.

And if Hillary does get elected? I'm guessing her administration will be "business as usual" politics just like it was with Bill and the dream of a truly progressive presidency and all that that confers to our country will be, for the most part, flushed down the toilet. But will be it better than electing any of the Christo-fascists, megalomanics and outright nutjobs the GOP is offering up? You better believe it!